ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way you get majorities right now is the democrats pick off republicans and leave the rest of the republicans out in the cold. if i were republican i would not be very happy right now. >> you mentioned the democrats have been through periods like this in the past. then along came bill clinton, for example. he nudged the party toward the center. the democrats started winning some elections. do you think if you take a look at what's going on with republicans from your side of the aisle that maybe something like that is going to be necessary in order for the republican part